Withering whispers of IOC members: ABB. Anything But Bach?

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Christian Klaue #1

Unfortunately this piece is just repeating some old stories and ignoring some well known essential facts. I would like to give some examples.

– Thomas Bach was introduced to Juan Antonio Samaranch at the Olympic Congress 1981. At this time he had never met Horst Dassler. So he cannot have been introduced in the way which is described in the article.

– Thomas Bach has never worked for ISL. ISL was managed completely independent from adidas by different managers. The ISL scandal now in discussion refers to the years from 1989 until 2001. Thomas Bach was Director for Promotion at adidas from October 1985 – December 1987. Horst Dassler passed away in April 1987 after a long illness. If you wish to know more about Thomas Bach’s business career please see his CV: http://www.dosb.de/fileadmin/Bilder_allgemein/Praesidium/lebenslauf_bach_thomas_englisch.pdf

– Two independent bodies analyzed Thomas Bach’s consultancy for Siemens. In 2008 the independent US law firm Debevois checked for Siemens all consultancy contracts. The conclusion was: There is no doubt about the integrity of Thomas Bach. The IOC Ethics Commission which was duly informed beforehand about the consultancy agreement also confirmed in 2008 that Thomas Bach had been acting all the time in full compliance with the IOC Code of Ethics.

– Concerning Mr. Vizer’s proposal of “United World Championships” Thomas Bach already said in St. Petersburg: “This idea is already unrealistic because it is obviously against the intention of ASOIF. Recently we had a meeting among the stakeholders of the Olympic Movement led by IOC President Jacques Rogge. When discussing the calendar, ASOIF – which represents the most important federations – made it very clear that it is against this idea. I definitely think that we have to ensure that the uniqueness of the Olympic Games is not diluted by other events. I believe that this is common sense among all IOC Members. Should it come to discussions between the IOC and Sportaccord, I am sure that all participants, including the International Federations, will be fully aware of the importance of successful Olympic Games for their own future. Also I think it would not only be not feasible, it would also be against all requirements of our modern world, like sustainability, legacy and solidarity.”

Christian Klaue
Head of media DOSB and spokesperson of Thomas Bach

Ralf #2

The ISL scandal now in discussion refers to the years from 1989 until 2001. Thomas Bach was Director for Promotion at adidas from October 1985 – December 1987.

Of course, sports officials refused to accept bribes before 1989. Jens, how could you forget?

Thomas Seeholzer #3

This is Thomas, a future IOC president.

Offenbar war das 1981 doch nicht so wie beschrieben. Oder war es gar anders herum? Sameranch hat diese Worte bemüht, um T.Bach einem gewissen H.Dassler vorzustellen?
Das wäre ja fast noch interessanter…

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Thomas Seeholzer #4

Zum Thema ABB: Könnte dieses “Gerücht” nicht aus dem Bach Lager sein, weil man dort Angst hat, dass viele IOC-Mitglieder die Wahl Bachs als beschlossene Sache ansehen? Vielleicht wollen sie die Jungs bei der Stange halten, indem sie die Gegner ein bisschen höher handeln (ohne natürlich einen bestimmten hervorzuheben)?

JW #5

Dear Christian,

I added a part of your comment in the article on my blog (introducing Dassler/Bach/JAS?).

On the other hand: I can not see myself “ignoring some well known essential facts”.

And I will, as you are saying, surely “repeat some old stories” this year, but I am trying to repeat it in a new light and with even better research than I have done over the past 20 years. Promise.

Of course I do know that Mr. Bach has never worked for ISL. I have never claimed he did. But he has been a part of the so called (and probably unofficial) sport political department of Adidas. Other members in this group alongside Horst Dassler have been Jean-Marie Weber, John Boulter, Anwar Chowdhry etc.

Unfortunately I have to correct you: The ISL scandal does not only refers the years from 1989 to 2001. It is very clear, even in court documents, that ISL has established the bribery system in the Olympic world in early 1980s.

Cheers.

Jens

JW #6

@ Thomas Seeholzer #4: Das war meine erste Vermutung, auch um mich selbst zu schützen. Nachdem ich dazu aber etliche Leute gehört und gesprochen habe, glaube ich das nicht mehr.

Grit Hartmann #7

@ Christian Klaue,
don’t misunderstand my question as a tit-for-tat-response. Some of your objections are reasonable and cogent, as it would appear to me.

But I’m surprised that you introduce yourself as “spokesperson for Thomas Bach”, the more so as this article doesn’t refer to Bach’s DOSB presidency. How is this in compliance with above mentioned IOC “Directions concerning the election of the IOC President”, since your employer DOSB is part of the Olympic Movement?

Rule C. RELATIONS WITH, OLYMPIC MOVEMENT CONSTITUENTS, TOP SPONSORS AND THIRD PARTIES. …
Art. 15. Assistance
No direct or indirect assistance, be it financial, material or in kind, may be given to candidates by an Olympic Movement constituent, TOP sponsor, IOC partner or other third party. If offered such assistance, the candidate concerned has the duty to refuse it and to inform the Ethics Commission accordingly.

So: How does head of DOSB media, paid by an Olympic Movement constituent, separate itself from the spokesperson for a privately running candidate? “Vielfältige Lebenssachverhalte”?

Happy to get your response.

Christian Klaue #8

I am the spokesperson of DOSB President Thomas Bach since I started my job in November 2009. See our initial press release from October 2009: http://newsletter.dosb.de/newsletter/newsletter.php?id=1510&html=1. I am used to getting all the media questions for Mr. Bach – no matter if they are nationally or internationally. This has not changed after the announcement in May and does not need to change since the candidates for the IOC presidency don’t have to give up their official positions in NOCs or IFs, nor their work.

Sailor64 #9

Sprecher … des DOSB-Präsidenten Thomas BachQUOTE

ich dachte, bachs dosb-präsidentschaft und seine vergangenheit als dassler-lobbyist stünden in keiner verbindung? *lach*

dann wäre es auch nicht klaues aufgabe als dosb-sprecher, bachs zwielichtige vergangenheit zu verteidigen.

ach, der scheich wirds schon richten. der hat die meiste kohle, um stimmen zu kaufen. dafür wird der aalglatte bach ihm später mindestens hübsche verwertungsrechte für den asiatischen markt zuschanzen, wetten?

Andreas #10

Christian,

I guess, Grit’s question points to more to your employer rather to how many roles you have. As the press release suggests from my point of view, you are employed by the DOSB. And amongst your roles are the spokesperson activities for both the DOSB itself and Mr Bach.
Well, that this has not changed since 2009 is exactly the question as I understood from Grit.

The reason for this as I see it is the following: How can you ensure nobody, who reads your messages or sees you alongside Mr Bach in his role as candidate for the IOC presidency, mixes this up with your responsibilities inside the DOSB? I think, if people see this, there could be a chance these people would think, the DOSB supports your activity as Mr Bach’s spokesperson and with that – either through direct payroll or simply by accepting you taking time off your role as spokesperson of the DOSB – supporting the candidancy of Mr Bach.

Grit, if I have misstated anything, I am sorry for doing so. This is a mere interpretation of your and Christian’s comment.

Ralf #11

Grit Hartmann in der Berliner Zeitung: Streit um IOC-Vorsitz: Im Schnittbereich

Noch immer nämlich profitiert der Bach-Verein von einer hoch umstrittenen israel-feindlichen Praxis, von der sogenannten Vorlegalisierung. Unternehmen, die in arabische Staaten exportieren, lassen sich bei der Ghorfa per Stempel bescheinigen, dass ihre Produkte keine Teile aus Israel enthalten. 2011 kassierte der Verein dafür 900 000 Euro, 43 Prozent seiner Einnahmen.
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Die Abgeordnete [Viola von Cramon] wollte noch wissen, ob die Bundeskanzlerin mit Bach über die israelfeindliche Praxis gesprochen habe, bevor sie Anfang Mai seine Kandidatur für den IOC-Vorsitz begrüßte. Kühle Antwort: Bewerbung und Vorlegalisierung stünden „aus Sicht der Bundesregierung in keinem sachlichen Zusammenhang“.

Sailor64 #12

Bewerbung und Vorlegalisierung stünden „aus Sicht der Bundesregierung in keinem sachlichen Zusammenhang

vielfältige lebenssachverhalte. wer von den scheichs stimmen für sich kaufen lassen will, muss lieb zu den scheichs sein. demnächst nur noch halal-bier im olympiastadion…

JW #13

@ Christian Klaue: Du schreibst …

In 2008 the independent US law firm Debevois checked for Siemens all consultancy contracts. The conclusion was: There is no doubt about the integrity of Thomas Bach. The IOC Ethics Commission which was duly informed beforehand about the consultancy agreement also confirmed in 2008 that Thomas Bach had been acting all the time in full compliance with the IOC Code of Ethics.

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